Depression and ADD/EFD – one or both?


Increased Risk for Depression –
and for being diagnosed with depression in error

© Madelyn Griffith-Haynie, CTP, CMC, ACT, MCC, SCAC
An ADD Awareness Month Post

Because of the pervasiveness of the co-existence of these 2 diagnoses, it is vital to understand the differences between the two and to also treat both . . . when appropriate . . . to develop the most effective treatment plan and outcome.

[It’s] important to treat the primary diagnosis first, in order to achieve the best treatment outcome. ~ from Attention Research Update by Duke University’s David Rabiner, Ph.D. (whose article on ADD and Depression was the genesis of this article)

ADD/EFD, depression or both?

Found HERE

Everybody has shuffled through a down day or a down week. Most of us occasionally experience feelings of sadness, grief or depression as the result of a difficult life event.

We don’t qualify for a diagnosis of depressive disorder, however, unless these feelings are so overwhelming that we cannot function normally — generally characterized by the presence of sad, empty or irritable moods that interfere with the ability to engage in everyday activities over a period of time.

It’s not Unusual

Depression is one of the most common disorders to occur in tandem with ADD/EFD.  In fact, it has been determined that, at one time or another, close to 50% of all ADD/EFD adults have also suffered with depression.  Studies indicate that between 10-30% of children with ADD may have an additional mood disorder like major depression.

The overlap of the symptoms of ADD/EFD and depression, however, can make one or both disorders more difficult to diagnose — poor concentration and physical agitation (or hyperactivity) are symptoms of both ADD and depression, for example.  That increases the potential for a missed differential diagnosis – as well as missing the manner in which each relates to the other.

The chicken and egg component

Found HERE

Many too many doctors don’t seem to understand that serious depression can result from the ongoing “never enough” demoralization of ADD/EFD struggles. In those cases depression is considered a secondary diagnosis.

In other cases, depression can be the primary diagnosis, with ADD/EFD the secondary.

Treatment protocol must always consider the primary diagnosis first, since this is the one that is causing the greatest impairment, and may, in fact, present as another diagnosis.

It is essential for a diagnostician to make this distinction correctly to develop an effective treatment protocol.

  • Untreated primary depression can be debilitating, and suicidal thoughts might be acted upon.
  • If primary ADD is not detected, it is highly likely that treating the depression will not be effective, since its genesis is not being addressed.

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Depression Risks & Misdiagnoses

Depression is estimated to be 2.7 times more prevalent among adults with ADD/EFD than among the general adult population – almost three times as often. Although effective treatment for depression works just as well for adults with ADD/EFD as for those without, the appropriate diagnoses needs to be made FIRST – accent on appropriate.

Some estimates say that one quarter of the adult ADD/EFD population –  25%  – has NOT received appropriate treatment, sometimes for decades.

They can’t diagnose what they don’t know

In order to achieve an effective treatment outcome, a depth of expertise allowing them to recognize the symptom mix that identifies ADD/EFD is essential — in addition to the more common depth of experience with depression (or mood disorders) — as well as a clinician who is well versed in the subtleties of how each disorders presents.

  • Treating depression without considering what may be causing the symptoms of depression will rarely be particularly effective.
  • Treating someone for ADD who has a mood disorder like BiPolar Disorder may actually make the mood disorder worse.

It’s more than a shame it is not widely known in the medical profession, but there are many ADD/EFDers who are unsuccessfully treated for depression for many years before they finally locate an ADD-knowledgeable doctor who appropriately diagnoses the primary problem as ADD/EFD.

  • Executive Functioning Disorders field experts are well aware that, in a great many cases of so-called treatment-resistant depression, the depression rarely or only temporarily lifts until the ADD/EFD diagnosis is identified and treated.
  • Far too many doctors believe that mood disorders always get treated before cognitive disorders, despite the reality that, in many cases, the depression lifts without medication once the ADD is treated.

Perhaps those doctors are ignorant of the difference between primary and secondary diagnoses and/or primary and secondary depression?

Primary vs. Secondary Depression

Some adults with ADD/EFD (and/or other diagnoses) become depressed for no obvious reason. Their relationships are satisfying, there are no difficulties on the job or at school, they are physically healthy, and so on.  This form of depression, known as primary depression, seems to be largely inherited and may be tied to hypersensitivity.

In other cases, depression arises as a direct consequence of the chronic frustration and disappointment of living with untreated or poorly managed ADD/EFD (or chronic pain, or any of ADD’s comorbid conditions). Such cases of depression are said to be secondary.

Secondary depression can certainly be the result of the dejection and demoralization that can result from sometimes many years of ongoing struggles due to “working twice as hard for half as much,” as pioneering ADD expert Dr. Edward Hallowell frequently says.  However, ADD also has a high risk factor for primary depression as an additional diagnosis.

  • Since the symptoms of depression can be incorrectly diagnosed as ADD/EFD, it is certainly important to find a doctor highly familiar with both: qualified to rule out depression as an explanation for the some of the symptoms in common.
  • Struggles with concentration, tasks completion, and anxious/agitated behavior that can resemble hyperactivity aren’t rare with depression
  • However, it is important to remember that they can also occur together (co-occur).

You have to treat everything that’s present

Kids and adults may not present the same

The depression-like symptoms caused by ADD/EFD often begin showing up in childhood, while uncomplicated depression typically doesn’t develop until adolescence or later.

The results of one study indicated that the strongest predictor of persistent major depression in children with ADD/EFD was an inability to get along well with others, especially peers. Interestingly, learning difficulties and severity of ADD/EFD symptoms were not highly associated with persistent major depression in kids in that study.

In addition, successful treatment of ADD/EFD symptoms in children did not necessarily predict a lessening of their depressive symptoms. In other words, as Rabiner points out, the course of ADD/EFD symptoms and the course of depressive symptoms in that particular study sample of children appeared to be relatively distinct.

In adults, major depression predictors have been inadequately studied: in the 20 or more years since it became clear that ADD/EFD does not go away at puberty, science has discovered little about the potential cognitive and behavioral mechanisms of risk that could shape treatment.

They can’t find what they don’t look for.

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Telling ADD and Depression Apart

Too many doctors mistake ADD/EFD for depression. Differentiating the two can be difficult because, in addition to problems with mood management, both disorders can feature lack of motivation, an inability to focus and forgetfulness. There are, however, subtle distinctions between ADHD-induced symptoms and those caused by depression.

STAY TUNED for some tips on telling the two apart, as well as a few things that help.


Technically, the term ADD is no longer used.  Instead, [individuals] who have the inattentive symptoms of ADHD but who do not show hyperactive/impulsive symptoms are now diagnosed with ADHD, Predominantly Inattentive Type rather than with ADD . . . no longer technically correct. ~ from Attention Research Update by David Rabiner, Duke University

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Award-winning ADD Coach Training Field founder; ADD Coaching field co-founder; [life] Coaching pioneer -- Neurodiversity Advocate, Coach, Mentor & Poster Girl -- Multi-Certified -- 25 years working with EFD [Executive Functioning disorders] and struggles in hundreds of people from all walks of life. I developed and delivered the world's first ADD-specific coach training curriculum: multi-year, brain-based, and ICF Certification tracked. In addition to my expertise in ADD/EF Systems Development Coaching, I am known for training and mentoring globally well-informed ADD Coach LEADERS with the vision to innovate, many of the most visible, knowledgeable and successful ADD Coaches in the field today (several of whom now deliver highly visible ADD coach trainings themselves). For almost a decade, I personally sponsored and facilitated seven monthly, virtual and global, no-charge support and information groups The ADD Hours™ - including The ADD Expert Speakers Series, hosting well-known ADD Professionals who were generous with their information and expertise, joining me in my belief that "It takes a village to educate a world." I am committed to being a thorn in the side of ADD-ignorance in service of changing the way neurodiversity is thought about and treated - seeing "a world that works for everyone" in my lifetime. Get in touch when you're ready to have a life that works BECAUSE of who you are, building on strengths to step off that frustrating treadmill "when 'wanting to' just doesn't get it DONE!"

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  9. Wendy says:

    The biggest problem I see is the correct diagnosis and the correct treatment, and then the patient adhering to the treatment.
    Sometimes I’m amazed anyone gets treated correctly.
    Finding a good practitioner is such a shot in the dark.

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    • I know what you mean. Even when the diagnosis is correct, America’s “war on drugs” complicates getting effective treatment. Many too many practitioners don’t really understand basic psychopharmacology — or the difference between recreational and medicinal use. Many are fearful or unwilling to prescribe entire classes of medications – even to individuals with disorders that could be effectively managed by them.

      I awakened today especially disheartened — last night’s debate still with me, fearful for all of us as things continue to unravel in this country. Depressing times on many fronts.

      Thanks for taking the time to visit and comment. I’m especially pleased because of what it means for YOU, health-wise. I’m glad you are feeling better.
      xx,
      mgh

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  10. badfish says:

    I thought I was the posterchild for…what were we talking about?

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    • lol – No, I am the Poster Girl – probably for a lot of things (you can be a deputy).
      xx,
      mgh

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      • badfish says:

        I don’t usually like to argue with women, but I’m pretty sure I’m better suited for the poster. I’m just way over the line. The physical world is undoable. But fine, deputy dog it is.
        I clicked the link, got a bunch of …stuff???

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        • Wise not to argue with women, btw, but I didn’t leave you a link. Blame the WordPress gremlins.

          WordPress adds a blue “polldaddy dot com / rating dot js” deal at the bottom of comments clicked on from drop-down menu (the little graphic on the up right of your site). Only garbage when you click.

          I’m guessing that it’s supposed to be invisible – and I think it’s what drives the like, approve, trash, spam stuff.
          xx,
          mgh

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          • badfish says:

            Interesting…that is how I get comments, from the drop-down orange thingy. But your site is the only one with the polldaddy url…is this the CSS thing?

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            • Who knows? Could be – or it might be a WordPress glitch or a theme bug or theme conflict. I see it too.

              Only once in a great while does somebody comment about it – not sure why that is either. Mysteries of the online universe!
              xx,
              mgh

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  12. Reblogged this on Kate McClelland.

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    • Thank you AGAIN, Kate – on my own behalf and the entire community of those who struggle with one or both.
      xx,
      mgh

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      • You’re very welcome Madelyn :0)

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  13. Debbie says:

    I think it must be very hard to distinguish the two, so I am looking forward to your next post which gives us hints in how to do just that.

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    • Thanks for reading and commenting, Debbie. And appropriate diagnosis is just the first difficulty. Designing effective treatment protocols for each individual is even more complex and time-consuming.

      Can you leave me a link to one of your TCM posts? I want to learn more about non-pharmaceutical interventions. (one live link per comment or you’ll be auto-spammed, but you can leave multiple comments). THANKS!
      xx,
      mgh

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      • Debbie says:

        I havent done the TCM post yet Madelyn but was just about to begin!! Im going to research TCM and ADD for you! How’s that! 🙂

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        • That would be amazing. If you want to write it as a guest post, I’d be thrilled to feature you.
          xx,
          mgh

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  14. PorterGirl says:

    Such complex and intricate conditions – once again, it is marvellous that we have you to shed some light on an otherwise murky world. Let’s hope the medical profession continue to educate themselves and help more people 🙂
    xx

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    • Thanks always for taking the time to read and comment. Depression and ADD is near and dear to my heart, since I’ve struggled to find help with both throughout my life. And I know from 25 years of clients and students that I’m not the only one.
      xx,
      mgh

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      • PorterGirl says:

        I have struggled with anxiety and depression for about ten years now, luckily I am not as badly afflicted as many but it is a constant niggle in the mid that never quite goes away completely. I am always fascinated to read up on the subject, particularly from someone who really knows what they are talking about. Your open, honest and straightforward approach is most refreshing!
        xx

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        • I would have never known – you always seem so upbeat. I’m sure many people would be stunned to be a fly on my wall as well. We fight the good fight as best we can, right?

          I’m never sure how open to be – but those who read between the lines must surely wonder about the source of my empathy (and anger at mental health “professionals.”)

          I’m relieved to read you find my posts refreshing rather than discouraging.
          xx,
          mgh

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          • PorterGirl says:

            It always surprises people! I think it just proves that such things can strike anyone – no one is immune, regardless of how positive an outlook you have on life. It first appeared whilst I was in the police, but there were a number of traumatic life experiences before then that contributed. Something sort of ‘broke’ in my head. I am mostly fine now, but a hairline crack remains that threatens to be reopened at any time. But I work hard to keep the wound closed and so far, so good 🙂
            xx

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            • Yep – NO ONE is immune.

              I know it’s been fairly well documented that trauma frequently leads to PTSD, but it is my belief that it can open depression’s wounds as well.

              I’m glad to read that you are able to keep patching the crack – and I know that you have a supportive community of friends ready to supply the spackle.
              xx,
              mgh

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            • PorterGirl says:

              I am very lucky that I have a great support network and – as I said – my condition is not severe. But I hope that by being open about my position will help others with the same struggles. Keep up the good work, my dear friend!
              xx

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            • Good for you – and ditto!
              xx,
              mgh

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            • PorterGirl says:

              😀
              xx

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  15. I Had no idea. This is very valuable information, to understand each other. Frond you via a re-blog.

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    • Ah! The kind Chrisoph. Thanks so much for clicking over to read, and for taking the time to leave a comment.

      I take Awareness Days/Weeks/Months to write articles like this one, since I sometimes overlook the reality that many people are unaware of the overlap of symptoms in “sibling” or “look-alike” disorders (sadly, even doctors).
      xx,
      mgh

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  17. Reblogged this on writerchristophfischer and commented:
    Mental Health is an issue close to my heart and to my more serious contemporary writing. This is an interesting article about depression

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    • Thanks a million, Christoph. Now that I know that you are interested in mental health, I’ll troll your blog for articles you may have written about it.
      xx,
      mgh

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  18. I’m glad I found this. Very interesting and important information

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    • Thanks, Christoph. Fascinating (frustrating and disappointing) that so few doctors know this, huh?
      xx,
      mgh

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