Complex PTSD Awareness

C-PTSD Awareness
Signs and Symptoms of Chronic Trauma

© Madelyn Griffith-Haynie, CTP, CMC, ACT, MCC, SCAC
from the Self-Health Series

One of the factors of PTSD is that some people seem to have severe cases while others do not — that some soldiers were more vulnerable to extreme trauma and stress than others.

As an explanation for some of these complications it has been suggested and researched that there is a form of PTSD that is called DESNOS [Disorders of Extreme Stress Not Otherwise Specified]. Another term is C-PTSD or Complex-PTSD. ~  Allan Schwartz, LCSW, Ph.D


Relatively Recent Distinction & Debate

Many traumatic events that result in PTSD are of time-delimited duration — for example, short term military combat exposure, rape or other violent crimes, earthquakes and other natural disasters, fire, etc.  However, some individuals experience chronic trauma that continues or repeats for months or years at a time.

There is currently a debate in the Mental Health community that centers around the proposed need for an additional diagnosis. Proponents assert that the current PTSD diagnosis does not fully capture the core characteristics of a more complex form – symptoms of the severe psychological harm that occurs with prolonged, repeated trauma.

Let’s DO It

One of the longest-standing proponents is Dr. Judith Herman, a professor of clinical psychiatry at Harvard University Medical School. She is well respected for her unique understanding of trauma and its victims, and has repeatedly suggested that a new diagnosis of Complex PTSD [C-PTSD] is needed to distinguish and detail the symptoms of the result of exposure to long-term trauma.

She asserts that cases involving prolonged, repeated trauma may indicate a need for special treatment considerations:

Individuals who develop PTSD as the result of chronic or long-term exposure to trauma frequently report additional and more all-encompassing symptoms.

In addition to a tendency to be revictimized, these differential characteristics include psychological fragmentation, the disappearance of a sense of safety and trust, dramatic changes in the ability to adapt to stressful events, and a severely diminished sense of self-worth.

The most dramatic difference seems to be that there is a loss of a coherent sense of self.

Let’s NOT

Apparently, because the results from the DSM-IV Field Trials indicated that 92% of individuals with C-PTSD also met diagnostic criteria for PTSD, Complex PTSD was not added as a separate classification, upheld in the DSM-5*, published in 2013.

Although it is not a diagnosis in the DSM-5*, it is supposedly planned for inclusion in the ICD-11,** now pending release in 2018.

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition, the APA’s  classification and diagnostic tool (American Psychiatric Association)
**ICD-11: The International Classification of Diseases, maintained by the World Health Organization (WHO)

In the United States at present, the official term in use that describes the set of symptoms that would characterize a formal diagnosis of C-PTSD is Disorders of Extreme Stress Not Otherwise Specified (DESNOS).

Related Post: Whatever Happened to DESNOS?

I vote YES

Throughout my own Series of PTSD articles, I will use the term Complex-PTSD [C-PTSD], not only because I want to support its approval in the next iteration of the DSM, but because I consider it much more descriptive – even though I fully realize that, at present, it is not an “official” diagnosis, merely a subtype of “regular” PTSD.

The DSM notwithstanding, many trauma therapists already conceptualize complex trauma as different from simple PTSD. Not that there is anything simple about coping with even one traumatic event! ~Dr. Kathleen Young

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In support of a more full-featured distinction

Helping Psychology said, “PTSD victims tend to be in a continuous state of heightened alertness. The trauma that precipitates the disorder essentially conditions them to be ever-ready for a life threatening situation to arise at any moment … But the continuous releases of brain chemicals that accompany this reaction time – and their inability to control when this heightened reactivity will occur – take psychological and biological tolls on PTSD victims over time.” ~ quote found HERE

Where there have been multiple traumas, an individual is likely to remain in a state of hypervigilance, sometimes experiencing anxiety attacks intense enough to induce a delusional state where the effects of related traumas overlap, exacerbating the original symptoms repeatedly.

How are PTSD and C-PTSD different?

Unlike PTSD that results from a single or short-term traumatic incident, Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder results from chronic or long-term exposure to emotional trauma over which a victim has little or no control and from which there is little or no hope of escape.

The resulting impact may be so complete that it can affect every element of the sufferer’s life. Unlike the trigger-specific reactivation of PTSD, C-PTSD can remain active in every environment to which he or she is exposed.

C-PTSD is also characterized by attachment disorder, particularly the pervasive insecure, or disorganized-type attachment,[21] which some trauma specialists believe throws it into the category of borderline personality disorder [BPD].

The findings of a Study published in the European Journal of Psycho-Traumatology, Volume 5, 2014, supported the validity of C-PTSD as distinct and distinguishable from BPD, identifying key symptoms to aid clinicians tasked with performing differential diagnoses and treatment planning.

CLINICAL RESEARCH ARTICLE: Distinguishing PTSD, Complex PTSD, and Borderline Personality Disorder

STILL, the debate is far from over

The term PTSD itself has only been in the public consciousness since its inclusion in the DSM, following a great deal of back and forth quibbling before it gained more wide-spread acceptance as a legitimate diagnosis following the 1980 publication of the DSM-III.

Before publication, the symptoms of what is now called Post Traumatic Stress Disorder were referred to by a number of assorted terms: most often ‘shell shock’, ‘combat fatigue’, ‘traumatic neurosis’, ‘battered woman syndrome’ and ‘rape trauma syndrome’.

Unfortunately, until PTSD became a legitimate diagnosis, it was even more frequent that symptoms were dismissed or ignored by many clinicians – the very “doctors down the street” that sufferers paid for help and understanding.

IN ANY CASE, one of the goals of treatment for both the proposed C-PTSD and the extant “standard” PTSD is to help patients gain a sense of control over their emotions and over their lives.

However, C-PTSD symptoms are reported to be more persistent and difficult to treat, which will, most likely, affect recovery time considerably.

Why Recovery Time estimates are so important

How many times have you wondered when something would be over?  Kids are famous for asking repeatedly, “Are we there yet?”

Isn’t it easier to keep a metaphorical stiff upper lip about the sound of the dentist’s drill when you have some idea of how long you are going to have to endure it?

Wouldn’t you worry that something was terribly wrong should a broken bone take considerably longer to heal than projected?

  • So it only makes sense that a trauma victim’s anxiety would be heightened, worsening their symptoms, if he or she saw little improvement within the time frame they were led to expect.
  • But there’s another, even more important reason to differentiate between PTSD and C-PTSD recovery estimates: disability payments.

At present, there are a number of mental health professionals and research analysts who like to throw around the term “malingering” to describe individuals who don’t recover as rapidly as they believe they should, according to their cross-referenced statistical summaries — in particular, veterans receiving disability payments.

Those statistics are gathered from studies designed, in my opinion, in a manner that displays a degree of confirmation bias.

Confirmation bias is a term describing the unconscious tendency of people to favor information that confirms their hypotheses or closely held belief systems.

Individuals display confirmation bias when they selectively gather, note or remember information, or when they interpret it in a way that fits what they already believe.

To support their suspicions and assertions, these meta-analyses compare recovery statistics in an “apples to oranges” fashion that I believe is tantamount to accusing veterans who take longer to heal of disabilities fraud.

They cite comparisons between recovery statistics of PTST resulting from repeated and chronic exposure to trauma (including individuals with a symptom profile likely complicated by TBI — war veterans, for example), to those resulting from a one-time exposure.


A more nuanced approach to a PTSD differential diagnosis would go a long way toward explaining to those who seem to want to balance the budget on the backs of our Veterans how cruel and inaccurate their malingering point of view really is.

Related Article: 11 Reasons Combat Veterans with PTSD are Being Harmed
(Statistical gathering in Psychology Today article – be SURE to read the angry responses from vets!)

As I said in my own long comment response to the article above:

Is it psychologically consistent with the behavior of the majority of individuals who would risk death and dismemberment to fight for comfortable American lives that they would actually prefer to return to subsist on meager disability payments if they were ABLE to do more for themselves?
ALL veterans deserve better, and America owes them far more than uncontested disability payments.

NOT just Vets

Veterans of combat are not the only individuals vulnerable to PTSD or C-PTSD. We are all susceptible to suffering lingering after-effects of exposure to violence and trauma of many types.  It is beginning to be documented that the young seem to be especially vulnerable, and that children who have experienced trauma grow up to have a heightened likelihood of developing C-PTSD as a result of exposure to trauma in adulthood.  Repeated exposure to trauma leaves welts.

Risk Factors for C-PTSD Development

According to the National Center for PTSD individuals likely to develop Complex PTSD include those who have experience long term or chronic trauma in any of the following situations:

  • Concentration camps or Prisoner of War camps
  • Long-term domestic violence, and/or long-term child physical
    and/or sexual abuse
  • Prostitution brothels
  • Organized child exploitation rings

The following, more comprehensive list comes primarily from the Out of the Fog website.   The list on their site included more detail, along with a list of a great many more  traumatic situations that might result in C-PTSD:

  • long term imprisonment and torture
  • domestic or childhood emotional, physical or sexual abuse
  • repeated violations of personal boundaries
  • long-term objectification and/or exposure to gaslighting & false accusations
  • entrapment, kidnapping, slavery and/or enforced labor
  • long-term exposure to inconsistent, push-pull, splitting (in the black and white thinking sense) or alternating “go away” raging & manipulative “don’t leave me” behaviors
  • long-term care-taking of mentally ill or chronically sick family members
  • long term exposure to crisis conditions (including repeated deployment)

The above site also describes the thoughts of the traumatized in an evocative manner:

When people have been trapped in a situation over which they had little or no control at the beginning, middle or end, they can carry an intense sense of dread even after that situation is removed. This is because they know how bad things can possibly be. And they know that it could possibly happen again. And they know that if it ever does happen again, it might be worse than before.

It makes sense that their nervous systems would be left in a state of hypervigilance – where the “threat detection” mechanism in the brain remains on high alert.

This can easily leave an individual in an enhanced state of sensory sensitivity accompanied by an exaggerated intensity of behaviors and heightened anxiety.

The constant scanning of the environment for threats can lead to a variety of obsessive behaviors, producing difficulties with social interaction and relationships.

Recent research on PTSD in the military indicates that there is no such thing as “uncomplicated” PTSD. Although explanations point to the classic “chicken and egg” problem, it is clear that each symptom complicates and exacerbates the presentation of the others.

Comparing PTSD and C-PTSD

BOTH can experience hypervigilance (the constant scanning of the environment for threats) but with C-PTSD there can be a preoccupation with/rumination about the abuser or experience.

BOTH can experience flashbacks when triggered, but with C-PTSD flashbacks are more likely to occur without warning, seemingly out of nowhere.


  • PTSD: Avoidance of triggers and trauma reminders vs.
    C-PTSD: withdrawal and isolation, possibly due to the fear of flashbacks without warning and/or increasing discomfort in social situations, or heightened anxiety around others
  • PTSD: Nightmares vs.
    C-PTSD: night terrors and chronic insomnia (among other sleep disorders)
  • PTSD: Anxiety and depression vs.
    C-PTSD: social isolation, relationship avoidance
  • PTSD: Exaggerated startle reflex vs.
    C-PTSD: severe alterations in affect regulation (no filter, easily overwhelmed)
  • PTSD: Some dissociation vs.
    C-PTSD: fragmented sense of self

Identifying or Diagnosing C-PTSD

Six clusters of symptoms have been suggested for diagnosis of C-PTSD.

  1. alterations in regulation of affect and impulses;
  2. alterations in attention or consciousness;
  3. alterations in self-perception;
  4. somatization;
  5. alterations in systems of meaning, and
  6. alterations in relations with others.

These clusters imply the possibility of the following problems & behaviors:

  1. Emotional Regulation Problems – including symptoms such as a profound and persistent state of unease or dissatisfaction, chronic suicidal preoccupation, self injury, explosive anger (or, conversely, extremely inhibited emotions), and compulsive and/or extremely inhibited sexuality.
  2. Variations in consciousness – including forgetting/blocking out traumatic events, reliving experiences (either in the form of intrusive PTSD symptoms like flashbacks, or in persistent rumination) and/or episodes of dissociation or derealization.
  3. Changes in self-perception – such as learned helplessness/inability to activate, displaced shame, guilt and self-blame, a sense of defilement or stigma, and/or a sense of feeling detached, like no one else in the world and completely alone.
  4. The repeated experience of unexplainable physical problems and illnesses – somatization.
  5. Changes in how the sufferer views the world and life itself – Loss of/significant changes in one’s value systems, faith in humanity; chronic despair and/or a sense of hopelessness about the future, which may include a loss of formerly sustaining religious faith.
  6. Problems with relationships – including persistent distrust and/or a search for a rescuer (sometimes through repeated self-protection failures), relationship disruptions as a result of isolation and withdrawal.

Changes in how the victim regards the perpetrator – an individual with Complex PTSD may feel like the perpetrator has complete power in a relationship, which may certainly be true at the time of the ongoing trauma, but the victims can maintain that they have NO power, even when the perpetrator can no longer affect their lives (as when abused children grow up).

In Complex PTSD, some individuals may also become preoccupied with a perpetrator; i.e., constant thoughts of revenge or, conversely, idealization of or gratitude toward the perpetrator (similar to Stockholm Syndrome), including a rationalization of a perpetrator’s belief system, etc.

PTSD Underpinnings & Complications

In PTSD articles to come, we’ll take a closer look at some of the neurological underpinnings of PTSD, some problems created by the overlap of co-occurring conditions (ie., TBI/ABI, anxiety, depression, sleep disorders, etc.) treatment options currently available and treatment options that are being explored for future use — so STAY TUNED.

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  9. CalicoJack says:

    Howdy Madelyn!

    Your blog continues to be a valued resource for me! I really appreciate the accurate information that you have published. I’m always glad to link to one of your articles.

    And, complex PTSD should be distinguished from PTSD. It is one thing to be in a car accident and end up with PTSD, it is another to spend ten to twenty years with a gaslighter or other abuser. I’ve seen it both in my personal life and professional. The needs of the two populations are different.


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    • Thanks so much for ringing in, Jack. I do the best I can to check credible sources and update older info that new studies impact. Comments like this are especially appreciated from someone like you (who does the same thing)! We are on the same page where C-PTSD is concerned. Wonder when medical science it going to catch up with us – lol.

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  10. When living with PTSD, we do what we can — one day at a time, and if we are not alone and have support, that makes each day easier to get through.

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    • Yes – easiER – not to be confused with easy, right?


      • Yes, easier. I’ve noticed that most vets with PTSD who aren’t heavy drinkers or into drugs, keep very busy. I do. For instance, I’ve been building a new backyard fence all by myself and so far that included moving, mixing and pouring more than 5,000 pounds of concrete and cinder blocks. Working that hard is a great distraction to keep your thoughts focused and away from the darkness that is always lingering and ready to pounce like hungry grizzly.

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        • Good Lord, Lloyd!! Take care of your back. You are not a kid anymore, ya’ know, and being laid up would be even worse.

          Sorry to sound like a nudge, but my Dad needed the reminder every single time he attempted something even vaguely like you describe (as do I, now) – he practically crippled himself digging post holes for fence-prep.


          • I pace myself. By pacing, I usually only work 3 to 5 hours a day and then take a day off. This week, it rained for two days so I took those days off. I worked five hours today on the fence project and will work a few hours tomorrow on Monday and then take Tuesday and Wednesday off.

            Soon, soon, the concrete work will be done and then it will be wood-work to finish the rest of the fence. It’s not a normal fence. The concrete is the foundation and goes into the ground about 8 inches deep and several inches above ground level. The wood and welded wire portion of the fence goes on top of the concrete and between all the posts.

            I also follow a regular exercise routine four days a week for an hour each time with weights, stretching, etc. That helps. I’ve already dug 14 of the fence post holes. Two feet deep and about a foot square. Each hole took between 240 – 300 pounds of concrete.

            I should mention that a day off from the fence project means I’m usually working on my writing or off to see a film at the theater or both.


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            • Good to hear, Lloyd – and good for you!

              If my Dad had done what you do, I’m sure he would have been MUCH better off. He always hearkened back to his younger days when he had – at most- a day a week off, so he tried to do it all in a single day. Ouch!


            • I’ve only worked four days so far this month on the fence project for a little less than 18 hours. Started in late February. My goal was to get all the digging done before the heat hit and dried out the clay soil my house sits on.

              Digging in dry,sun-baked clay is not easy. It’s like rubber concrete. All the rain helped soften it up but wet clay sticks to everything and grows in gobs.


            • Rubber concrete – lol! I’ll bet you’ll be glad to see the entire project behind you!


            • Yes, the digging and the concrete part. The woodworking I don’t mind, and that hasn’t even been started yet. I’ll probably be working on this for the next few months.

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            • Whatever it takes to occupy the mind – right? I’m writing a great deal lately – so my physical environment is pretty much falling apart for lack of time and attention. 🙂


            • Yes, keep the mind and/or body busy to avoid the dark depression that can come from PTSD. That’s why I mixed and poured 480 pounds of concrete today. It only took 3.5 hours.

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            • You are a wild man, Lloyd. I have to wonder if 480 pounds of “cure” might be worse than the disease.

              PS. don’t take my attempt at humor seriously, I am well aware that there isn’t much of anything worse than being SO depressed you can barely get up off the couch for days on end. Personally.


            • One 60-pound bag at a time. Lift, mix with water, and poor. Then start on the next bag.

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            • OOF! I need a nap just thinking about it.

              My arms have never been particularly strong, even when I was weight training – and even if you lift with your legs you have to be able to hold the weight with your arms.


            • I think of it all as an extended weight-lifting workout.

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            • Accent on “extended” – it’s not like you can stop once you’ve added the water.


            • But after you mix in the water, it takes awhile to scoop it all out one shovel full at a time.

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            • I know! I lived across the street from a couple where the man was fascinated with what could be done with concrete. His partner and I didn’t get it, but we sure learned a lot about concrete!

              Like I said, accent on “extended.”


            • I am not fascinated with concrete and what can be done with it.


              All I’ve been doing is filling empty spaces with it.

              1st – 14 holes two feet deep and about a foot square to hold metal fence posts (wood rots below ground and has a much shorter lifespan than a metal post.

              2nd – filling the empty spaces in more than 150 cinder blocks.

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            • Everybody needs a hobby – lol – you have more patience that most knitters. 🙂


            • :o)

              I have patience for my written goals that I set for myself. I have little patience for anything else. I live by this rule, most of the time: when I get angry, I let it sit for a few days so I can calm down and then I deal with what I was angry about.

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            • My patience is with most people – friends, clients, even strangers in stores.

              When *things* don’t work as designed (or are poorly designed), I can get a bit nuts — especially with a product that once worked beautifully until the company was acquired by one of the corporate capitalist firms, money grubbing “bottom line” folks who “improved” it with cheaper materials or ingredients – to the point of worthlessness.

              That’s when I leave reviews, send emails and boycott the company – rather than sitting and simmering.

              And then, of course, I have ZERO patience with the current administration in America. Self-focused, uninformed, mega-rich cronies who care little for what happens to Americans otherwise, as far as I am concerned.


            • I have no patience with the current administration in the White House. As old as I am, I’m ready to join a revolution to get rid of the malignant narcissist in the White House, crush the Alt-Right members in the GOP and reinstate the U.S. Constitution as the rule of law.

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            • You are NOT alone in that thought, Lloyd. He and his minions become less popular day by day. It still feels like a bad dream to me.


            • The malignant narcissist in the White House is more than a bad dream. he is a living, awake nightmare who could bring down the world economy and collapse civilization as we know it.

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            • You are preaching to your own choir, as they say. I think his own party is beginning to be afraid as well.

              NOW if they’d step up and block him on the floor, we’d have a shot.


            • Compared to when I was a wild child at 18, I’m tame now.


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            • If this is tame, I probably would have been afraid of you at 18. 🙂
              xx, mgh


          • I should have added that I lift with my legs and not my back. That means when I pick up an 80 pounds bag of concrete, I squat instead of bending over at the waist and using my back muscles to lift. That does make a difference.

            Most people don’t use their legs to lift heavy weights. They use their back. That’s not good.

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            • Yeah – my Dad was a maniac about lifting with your legs. But there’s only so much that can help when you overdo – so I’m glad to hear you are being sensible about it all.


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  20. Reblogged this on Courage Coaching and commented:
    Great explanation of the difference between CPTSD & PTSD.

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    • Thank you for reblogging – it is an important topic, IMHO, that deserves as much exposure as we all, together, can give it – until it’s acceptance is widespread and people are getting the kind of help they need and to which we are ALL entitled. It takes a village . . .

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  21. Reblogged this on Art by Rob Goldstein and commented:
    This is the best explanation I’ve read of the difference between Complex PTSD and PTSD.

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    • Thank you SO much for the reblog. I wrote the post hoping to help anyone struggling with symptoms of PTSD that don’t seem to be responding as expected.

      I appreciate your help spreading the word.

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  22. Thank you for this informative article.

    I am diagnosed with C-PTSD.

    The fragmented sense of self that you describe is one of my primary symptoms. As far as professionals who hurl the word malingering at people with severe and in some cases chronic illnesses: I find our Behavioral Health System with its emphasis on drugs and short-term therapies toxic and classist. It is ersatz psychiatry done by technicians without the ethics or humanity.

    When we end this regressive for profit system based on Dale Carnegie and Alcoholics Anonymous we will re-discover that the solution to the homelessness of people with chronic mental illness is long-term treatment in structured inpatient and outpatient settings.

    It is hard to recover from such a painful illness at such a dark and abusive time in our nation’s history.

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    • You are preaching to MY choir in this comment! Check out my Staff Sergeant Brown article [Rarely Proud to be an American Anymore] in my Monday Grumpy Monday series (it’s a short one – a quick read that makes a sad but clear point about our lack of humanity toward homelessness generally and homeless vets in particular).

      My heart goes out to you as I read that you are struggling with C-PTSD, but I’m relieved to hear that you have found a doc willing and able to give you the dx.

      Thanks for reading and taking time out of your life to leave a comment (and again for the reblog).

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      • I was diagnosed with C-PTSD and DID by Kaiser’s psych services which is a Behavioral Health Service. Kaiser was part of the ACE Study which was a study of the effects of Trauma. I am lucky to have my therapist. She’s one of the few who treats DID.

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        • DID is a difficult disorder – tricky to diagnose OR treat – so when you say you are fortunate to have found one of the “few” therapists who work with it, that is almost an understatement.

          I’m not telling you anything new, I’m sure, but many therapists don’t believe DID exists or don’t/won’t/can’t treat it — which used to be the case with Borderline Personality Disorder not too many years ago as well. As you noted in the intro to your DID post I read last night, the exaggerated media and film exposure certainly hasn’t helped!

          I used to be close to a person who suffers from depersonalization and derealization, but it has never been disclosed to me that there was any awareness of alters, nor was there a PTSD dx of any type in place. The coping method was self-harm for many years, and it was disclosed to me (and others) only years after I had relocated and we were no longer spending regular time together. (sorry for the awkward phrasing – avoiding pronouns).

          Years ago I spent considerable time talking with a woman with a clear dx (“multiple personality disorder” at that time). The venue was a small weekend seminar using Arts Therapy as a healing technique for a number of issues. My many conversations with her were eye opening, kindling my interest in/understanding of some of the many difficulties of living with the disorder. But I would never go so far as to say I’m well-versed in DID or qualified to work with it.

          This particular woman was unusual in that all of the alters were aware of each other, could “cross-communicate” and were willing to attempt to cooperate. They chose to live as “a family” rather than attempting to “integrate,” and had a system of rules respecting the strengths and challenges of each that seemed to work well for them (like the kids can’t shop, for example – and only one handled family finances. etc.). They actually traveled around the country teaching therapists about this method.

          Only a few had artistic gifts, but they were considerable – one was a talented poet, another a painter, one was gifted musically – and one did an excellent job at public speaking, presenting the talents of all (without their appearance). Except for what she was disclosing, she seemed well integrated and emotionally centered.

          Both mind and brain are amazing things – and I fear that it will be many years before we understand that the current meaning of “mental health” is too narrow.

          I’m not convinced that additional DSM caucuses are likely to help much – especially in the manner it is handled now – but I would like to see future versions differentiate clearly between PTSD, C-PTSD, and Borderline Personality Disorder for the benefit of differential diagnosis and the development of effective treatment protocols and healing time-frames.

          I look forward to having the time to read more of what you have written about it. Thanks again for the reblog – and for taking the time to comment here.


  23. Reblogged this on Kate McClelland.

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    • How many ways can I say thank you sincerely? Because I DO sincerely appreciate your reblogs – *especially* on the PTSD info.

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      • You’re very welcome Madelyn, you’re doing a good thing :0)

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        • You’re doing a good thing too, Kate. I have found so many good bloggers through your reblogs – and several of them have found me. We ALL thank you soooooo much. (you’re still not coming up on my notifications feed, btw).

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          • odd, I don’t know why that’s not happening.
            edit from mgh: this is #2

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            • Reply #2 🙂


            • Got both replies, so I’m stuck as to why it’s not occcuring

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            • The WordPress fairies are drunk again (or stoned)??? Whatever – just know that if I don’t approve it is only because I haven’t seen it yet. I am NOW sifting thru the comments every other day or so.

              ALSO – on my blog, anyway, every time I save an edit, WordPress adds quite a few lines of meaningless format code at the end – always ending with “>Save< and an end span (that I can’t make HERE because the comment update edits it OUT!")

              It can be seen on the “front” side only as an endless stream of blank lines (as if I had used the nbsp tag repeatedly). No biggie, except that people to have to keep scrolling through blank space to get to the comments if I don't remember to edit OUT before the final save. Not good where ADD/EFD readership is concerned – and it can only be removed in text view.

              Don't know HOW long that's been happening – but I discovered it on an older post when I went to add another "Related." GRRRRRRR

              If THAT weren't crazy enough, on my "Summer" post, every time I saved it WP gremlins added a line of code above the ol numbering – like "ol start 2" (several times in a row before finally getting to the number that was SUPPOSED to be there.)

              I save frequently – usually after every edit – because I have lost h-o-u-r-s of work in the past when WP wouldn't "take" the edit and it disappeared into the ozone when I clicked the "try again" prompt.

              And then there's the "improved" editor – which I find practically worthless for formatting. SO – even when we pay for it, we don't always get it these days, huh?

              Once Sept. gets here and I have a brain again, I will begin seriously searching for a better platform. I'm not looking forward to migrating, however.

              Sorry to rant.

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            • Hahaha! Don’t worry you’re allowed a rant now and again :0)

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            • THANKS! This one just showed up, btw. Kludgy. GRRRR

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          • Odd, I don’t know why that’s not happening

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            • Me either! It’s not like I get so many I can’t keep up with them all (btw – your reply just posted twice – I’ll approve both so maybe we can figure out what’s happening)

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  24. Reblogged this on The Soulful Veteran's Blog.

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    • Thank you so very much for the reblog, Lloyd. It is always dangerous to attempt to ring in where one does not have personal experience with the challenges one is attempting to describe – so the fact that YOU reblogged it allows me to believe that I managed to cover the issues in a manner that was at least adequate (and caused no additional harm through under-valuing the difficulties).

      We do what we CAN, right?

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